The dividing line is whether or not, as in the case of Jack Murtha and me -- Jack Murtha, God love him, I think he believes that we have gone beyond the pale, that there is no reason to think the president is going to change course and the only rational position in the Hobson's choices we're left with is over time redeploy American forces because there's no winning strategy.
I added it in to the post below, too.
The world ran out of Friedmans, but it appears we have many more Biden Shots ahead of us. Not sure how much more of this B.S. we can take.